Teachable Woman Podcast

What TO DO BEFORE YOU SAY I DO

Reverends Michele Owes and Diana Cherry

Rev. Michele Owes: [00:00:00] Welcome. Welcome back to the Teachable Woman Podcast. We are truly excited about what you're going to be hearing today. I am Reverend Michelle Oates. I am with Reverend Mrs. Author Deanna P. Cherry, and together we are teachers of good things. Mrs. Cherry, please say hello.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: Hello, podcast family. I pray that all is well with you, that everyone is surviving these heat waves that are flooding our country, and that everyone is doing the necessary things to keep themselves hydrated and well taken care of in this heat. God bless you all

Rev. Michele Owes: Amen to that. We have been teaching you from a series entitled The Beginning Confidence, and then we went on to Confidence. But now we have something really special for you today. Mrs. Cherry has completed the first draft of her book, What [00:01:00] to Know Before You Say I Do, and we are excited about that.

She's going to be sharing some wonderful tips with us. How appropriate it is that summertime is often the marital season when people have these elaborate weddings and say, "I do." And there are some things that we just should know before we do. Mrs. Cherry, take it away

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: All right, where shall we start? I was hoping for a question.

Rev. Michele Owes: what should we know before we say you do

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: just give a little background. I started writing this book in 1987, 30, about 37 years ago.

Rev. Michele Owes: Wow

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: when... After I'd written the other two books, the next one in line was What To Do Before You Say "I Do." I found notes that I have written back in 1987, on that topic. And so I let those notes be my guide, and then I started writing, and I just finished, hot off the presses this week, I just finished it, [00:02:00] and I'm really excited about it. the book deals with what was in the beginning, and then it takes a look at what God did, and then it deals with, time when God made us as men and women and what He did in the garden. And then it looks at the fact that we should be prepared before we say, "I do." And I'm flat out excited about it. So you can ask me some questions, and I'll be more than happy to answer them.

Rev. Michele Owes: that is wonderful. That is exciting. You mentioned that, you started in the Bible, which is the beginning. and I think whenever we're attacking a subject, if we want to get it right, we have to know what happened in the beginning. What was God thinking about when these things came about, and what was his heart toward the subject?

So what is his heart toward a man and a woman, prior to getting married that prepares them later to be married?

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: what I did, I started the book, the first part of the book [00:03:00] is what was, and I look at, in the beginning, what God did in the beginning, and how God created everything that we now see in the earth realm. And I shared something that we learned years ago, that the first part of Genesis deals with the fact that God is telling us what He's going to do. And the making, the actual making of man and woman occurs in chapter, later in chapter one and chapter two. the first thing that God did was He spoke His mind. He told us what we were going... what He was going to do. And in the book, I share the fact that God prepared for us in an awesome way.

God, we were made or created, God prepared for us.

Before God made us, He blessed us. Before He did anything, He gave us, permission to have stewardship over all of the works of His hands. then God made us in His [00:04:00] image and in His likeness. And I share something that, I'm-- I make a statement that I don't try to persuade anyone or dissuade anyone or convince anyone. I'm talking about what God did according to

Rev. Michele Owes: Yes.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: of God. And what God did was He made man. He made one and that, from that man, He made mankind. From that one man, He made, one species, man, and two genders, male and female. I know that contemporarily, we're faced with so many choices, but this book is based on what God's word says. then I talk about the fact that He made the man, made the woman, and I go through that process. And I talk about the fact that of all of God's creatures, only man was given an authoritative mandate by God. And that was in Genesis two sixteen when God told the man, [00:05:00] He... The word of God says He commanded the man.

Rev. Michele Owes: Yes

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: commanded the man, what I visualize in my little feeble mind is that He gave the man an authoritative mandate. I always taught in God's plan for the woman and other teachings that what happened in Genesis chapter two is God activated the will of man.

Rev. Michele Owes: And so everything that God made has stayed within its creative nature that God made them.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: They still do exactly what God made them to do. The fish swim, the birds fly. But man, He gave an authoritative mandate, and at that point Man had a choice. Man's the only thing that God created that could choose to obey Him or choose not to obey Him. Everything else conforms to the authoritative mandate that

Rev. Michele Owes: Yes

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: to each of them, and they have to do what God said. But man, [00:06:00] He commanded man, He activated his will, and man has choice. of all the creatures that He made, the one that He made in His image and in His likeness has the power to obey God or to disobey God.

Rev. Michele Owes: God said in Genesis, He told the man, "When you disobey, is what's going to happen to you."

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: Because God knew that eventually the man was going to disobey. And so we're the only thing that God made that can disobey Him, that can choose not to serve Him. made us to be like Him because He wanted us-- He wanted to have fellowship

Rev. Michele Owes: Yes.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: who's like Him.

Rev. Michele Owes: Yes

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: instead of us just conforming to what God made us to be, we have that divine center of choice, and we choose to disobey Him. So I talk about that, and if you have any questions up to this [00:07:00] point, I also share with the fact in the book that God took the man and He put him in a deep sleep. And while He put him in a deep sleep, He then made this beautiful thing called a woman. And I talk about the fact that we were made by God, and that word made means the Word of God says that He formed the man.

He kinda squeezed him, and he came out kinda big at the top and smaller at the bottom. But the woman says that He made the woman. He skillfully handcrafted us. And what He did, He put Adam in a deep sleep. He didn't want that brother to give any opinions. He didn't want his input on how He was going to make this fabulous wo-man that He

Rev. Michele Owes: I know that's right.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: Yes. so I share, a little bit about that, and it's just things that you and I have known and have learned and have heard over the years, and I just put it in this book, "What To Do Before You Say 'I Do.'" And the first thing you to need to know, the first thing any of us [00:08:00] need to know before we do anything, is what did God do? What was His plan for mankind? So that's what I deal with in the first part of the book.

Rev. Michele Owes: And I think it's important to know that marriage is God's institution. It's not ours, and we don't get to do what we want to do, just because we're who we are and we get to make choices. And we've also learned that choices are long-lasting and life-changing, that you do have a right to make a choice, but you cannot choose the consequence of those choices.

And in-- You are free to choose whether to marry or not to marry, right?

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: But when you do marry, the consequence of that choice, it has long-lasting effects in life. Some of them are called children, So you know, some we marry into families and so on, and, then all of the connections and relationships that develop because we married into a [00:09:00] family, or they-- and they married into ours, and then we start having children.

Rev. Michele Owes: Those are more connections. And w- we were just smiling at the altar choosing each other, but as a result of that one choice, all of these other things came about.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: and then God did say that He said, "Let us make man in our image and after our likeness." That's in Genesis, the first chapter, verse number 26.

Rev. Michele Owes: "And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over everything that creepeth up on the earth." So in verse number 27, it says, "So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him, male and female created He them."

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: them

Rev. Michele Owes: so God was very specific about what He created so that there would be no confusion [00:10:00] about what He was doing.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: was specific in that He created a male and a female, and our physical bodies do align with His created purpose and His created will. things fit where things fit because God created them to be that way.

Rev. Michele Owes: And I think it's important to understand that, not only did God create us this way in His image and after His likeness, but He did give man purpose

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: Yeah.

Rev. Michele Owes: in the garden as well. And so when we come into a oneness with someone else in marriage, we should understand what God did before we try to do what we want to do.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: I want to share something because we live in such a strange world. I talk about it in the book. We live in a time that which was unacceptable [00:11:00] is now acceptable. That which was sin is now no longer regarded as sin. But I want to share something with everybody that might differently about who they are or about their sexuality, or they might feel like they are neither male nor female. They might feel like, because of the influence of the world that,

Rev. Michele Owes: Yeah.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: I fit? I don't

Rev. Michele Owes: Yes.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: a woman. I don't feel like a man. Who am I? What am I?" and I just want you to know something, and that is that, when Adam sinned in the garden, everything changed.

Rev. Michele Owes: Yes

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: so my husband used to, he used to often say, I spell sex D-I-A-N-A."

"I think a whole lot of women are good-looking, and I think that they all look desirable. But for me, I can only have one, and that's the one that I married." And so sometimes we get so hung up on different kinds of sexual immoralities or [00:12:00] sexual differences that we judge people who have different persuasions towards sex and towards their sexuality.

We judge them so harshly. But I want you to know that when Adam sinned in the garden, all kinds of perversions

Rev. Michele Owes: Yes

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: into the earth. what you might feel, you might really feel it. I can understand what you might feel. But just like my husband said, he had feelings. He could look at a woman, and if he allowed himself, he could have feelings for her, but he w- it wasn't allowed, according to the word of God. so I, in this book, am going to... I only present what God said, and I want you to know that if you have some questions about your sexuality, God didn't do it. But God did give us that divine center of choice, and we can indeed choose to obey Him [00:13:00] or we can choose not to be- o- obey Him. But the bottom line is God didn't change.

Rev. Michele Owes: Amen.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: didn't change. And what He did in the beginning is what He by now. He's not wishy-washy. And We just have to deal with ourselves on what do we want? Are we going to live according to our feelings and the flesh and be sway- persuaded that I'm neither male nor female, I'm somewhere in between, and think that God made a mistake? What we decide to do is our choice, because we have that divine center of, choice. But God's will is that we conform to what He said, and He said that He made man, and He made that man male, and He made that man female, and that's it. Those are the only [00:14:00] choices that we have. once again, if you choose not to abide by what God planned, that's that you have a right to do. But don't expect God to accept it, I guess is what I'm... the

Rev. Michele Owes: Yeah.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: what I'm

Rev. Michele Owes: Yeah. Yeah

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: I want to be compassionate and I want to be understanding. However, I have to preach the truth of God's Word,

Rev. Michele Owes: Amen. Amen

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: Word makes no allowances for anything except male and female. Again, we have a divine center of choice. can choose to obey God. We can choose not to obey God. We can love God and disobey Him. all of us who's living, we disobey Him all the time. But some- somehow we get in our minds that if it's a sexual sin, can't forgive us or He can't love us. [00:15:00] I'm not going to get into that, because God is a loving God, and God loves all of us. the bottom line is, if our choice is not male or female, we're not in the will of God, and that's the bottom line of what I want to stress. It doesn't mean that I don't love you, that God doesn't love you, but it does mean that He's not going to change just because of what we might feel or what we might think. And, Reverend Owens, you can expound on it from there. But I just want to express my heart that this book is not intended to put anybody down or to make anybody feel bad about what they feel or what they believe that they are. But the purpose of this book is to say what I believe and what I know the Word of God teaches.

Rev. Michele Owes: and it is so appropriate because a man must know he's a man and a woman must know she's a woman before they enter into this [00:16:00] union. so we pray that each couple is not having any confusion about who they are as a human being. And this is not race specific. This is not, quote, denomination specific.

This is God's word. And as we have learned, there is only one race, and it is the human race.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: may have some different shades and be located in some, on some different, continents, but it's one race. It's the human race. And God didn't specify anything in here in Genesis 1 other than what He did with the race, with the human race that He created.

Rev. Michele Owes: He made male and He made a female. And so this is not condemnation. There's no condemnation in Christ Jesus. This is clarity.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: And for some of our, young adults, some of our children, because of the [00:17:00] exposure of this world, this kind of clarity is not relative because they've not heard it.

so for you to be this clear at this phase is important,

Rev. Michele Owes: not only for this generation, but for generations to come who'll be able to pick up this manuscript and say, "Hey, God had a plan."

They may never pick up a Bible,

but they'll be able to-- They may run across this book and say, "Hey, here's some clarity here. We've been a little confused about some things,

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: this is what we should be looking at." kudos for being willing to do that. Mrs. Cherry also talked about, preparation.

Rev. Michele Owes: So when you go into a marriage, each person should understand that you're going in as a whole person. You're not coming in as a percentage. It's not a 50/70 or or 20 and, 80 or 30 and 70 or 50/50. you should both be coming in as [00:18:00] whole individuals knowing who you are in Christ Jesus and well aware, of what God expects from you in your role.

And Mrs. Cherry, did you talk a little bit about the roles of the male and the female according to God's word?

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: not so much, but I did spend a chapter on, the fact that we have to be prepared before we enter in. So I did talk about being prepared, and I didn't really spend a lot of time because, that was more or less God's plan for the woman

Rev. Michele Owes: उहम। उहम।

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: I did that. But, I do share that we're... can be prepared through teachings, we have to have a heart.

all of these should be preceded by an open heart

Rev. Michele Owes: Yeah

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: So the things that I said we should, be prepared in is through teaching, through knowledge, understanding, wisdom, all this is familiar to you, through having an internal [00:19:00] examination,

Rev. Michele Owes: Yeah

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: where I dealt with a lot of what's on the inside. What are you thinking about? Who are you on the inside?

Rev. Michele Owes: Excellent

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: about the importance of, as I thought about being prepared, I thought about the importance of, having realistic expectations.

Rev. Michele Owes: 'Cause some of us have unrealistic expectations that no man, woman, boy, girl, pr- probably not even some of the crea- the animals can't even live up to. And we know what the animals are going to do, and we have such unrealistic expectations that they can't even live up to it. But we have to, we really have to take an in-depth, and I think, this is, that's chapter four in the book. And I think I probably spent more time on introspection and, looking at ourselves perhaps than I did any other, part of the book. Because it's... And I love this statement, and I think I might have [00:20:00] made it a couple of times, through the book. Sometimes I'm redundant. I make a statement where I say, "If we don't deal with it on this side of marriage, we'll never deal with it on the other side, because we're going to be too busy looking at our mates look at ourselves or to try to make any changes

in ourselves."

That's what my husband used to say about premarital. He said, "It- I'll either see you on this side or I'll see you on the other side," he said, "But I will see

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: So

But if we, it's hard to look at yourself and it's hard for any human being to, reckon with the fact that, I'm flawed. I

Rev. Michele Owes: Yes.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: problems that

Rev. Michele Owes: I think that's an important point too, going into marriage, to understand that neither one of you are perfect. And we t- and God is never involved in the who's right. He is solely committed to what's right. And oftentimes when [00:21:00] couples disagree, somebody wants to be right. And if you're working on being right, you're never working where God wants you to be because He wants you to do what's right.

I think it's important for a woman to know that her responsibility, is to also make sure that she sets the tone for her home. And the tone needs to be one that demonstrates the fruit of God's spirit. if a man comes home and he can't find any love or any joy or any peace, and somebody willing to suffer with him long 'cause maybe he forgot something on the grocery list or didn't pick up the dry cleaning or God forbid, left one of the children and you gotta go pick him up

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: oh

Rev. Michele Owes: You got to be willing to suffer long

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: that,

Rev. Michele Owes: with a brother

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: has happened. We've had parents who've forgotten they left the children in the car

Rev. Michele Owes: Yeah, that's true.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: and

Rev. Michele Owes: That's true

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: and the police break the windows in the car because it

Rev. Michele Owes: Yes.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: day or whatever. So that can happen.

Rev. Michele Owes: Yes

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: it really can happen.

But [00:22:00] the key to everything is to, looking at self

Rev. Michele Owes: Yeah.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: because once we get married, those things that we overlooked, If you don't-- I'm going to give some funny examples, but if you don't like the way he eats, some people slurp, they make noises when they eat.

Rev. Michele Owes: I've been in the presence of people who go, they moan and groan when they eat. Those things are magnified in marriage. There is not enough, There's just not enough... There's enough grace to overcome it, but

Yeah

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: enough human, understanding or kindness to overcome things that are irritants. And, but, so much could be resolved.

We once married a couple, believe it or not, the man didn't like toothpaste, and so he only would, use mouthwash. And, but the person knew it before they married, and they didn't say [00:23:00] anything. that became a major,

Rev. Michele Owes: उह हम्म। उह हम्म। उह

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: couldn't

Rev. Michele Owes: हम्म।

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: that after a period of time.

Rev. Michele Owes: And so it could be anything. for me when I was in college or high school, had-- looking at a little boy out of kind of cross-eyed or something,

if that dude had anything in his mouth, any kind of food on his teeth, or his teeth were not impeccably clean, he could not speak to me. But I know that about me, Yes. Yes. Yes

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: and another one was, you cannot be wearing these same socks day after day and come talk to me.

I know if you didn't change your socks, you might not have changed something else.

Rev. Michele Owes: Okay. we started off real serious from the Bible, but we sure went 100% natural, didn't we?

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: I think the most important thing I wanted to get out in the first part was that difference, and I hope that, I hope that the book does provide some lightheartedness and some fun things as it's a [00:24:00] difference when you're preaching and you're writing,

Rev. Michele Owes: Yes.

you can just say it Yes.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: again.

But when

Rev. Michele Owes: Yes

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: one of the criti- one of the criticisms that my, teacher just gave me... I made an A in my class, by the

Rev. Michele Owes: Yay.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: But one of her, constructive comments was that I tend to be redundant, and I rec- I know that. I re- I realize that. And, not to make an excuse, but I kinda think it's because of preaching.

Rev. Michele Owes: Yes.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: Yes

the stuff to be in bold letters.

Rev. Michele Owes: Yeah, and clear

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: this book, one of the things I tried to do was clean up all the bold letters, and I did italicize a lot, but that's a little bit calmer. and just looking at me, think it probably has to do with the fact that I'm a preacher and when you're writing, you just can't, you just can't get it loud enough.

Rev. Michele Owes: Ain't no volume on writing, right?

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: Okay,

Rev. Michele Owes:

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: I did my best.

Rev. Michele Owes: all I'm sure you did a wonderful job. I wanted to say that [00:25:00] Mrs. Terry said that the founding principal pastor spelled sex D-I-A-N-A. just in case you didn't catch that is the spelling of her name. Okay. Just in case that just flew right by. It's what is that?

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: is how you spell her name.

and I remember years ago you sharing with us when we came to a conference and the women came in separate from the men, that as the wife, we are the only one who has the authority to provide pleasure for our husbands,

and vice versa.

Yeah

Rev. Michele Owes: And I don't know that we ever think that, particularly in this world in which we live today, where people feel like you can be with anyone.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: in the eyes of God, you have taken on this responsibility as well. And so now that you are married and it is legal, make [00:26:00] sure you still have fun. Make sure that you enjoy the pleasure that God has granted the two of you as married people. And

Rev. Michele Owes: don't get common with it, but absolutely make sure that you enjoy what you're doing.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: That's right. That-- A- and it's important. God gave us sex for pleasure and propagation,

Rev. Michele Owes: Yes

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: procreation. And, and it's okay. Dad used to-- my husband used to say, "Sex is God's idea,

Rev. Michele Owes: Yeah.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: cheapen it." God wants us to enjoy the pleasure of each other, and it's okay. again, I had some real hangups having been Catholic for a few years and, I had some real hangups.

I just, I didn't have healthy ideas about sex at all. So I had a lot of growing. I had a lot of growing and a lot of changing to do. But, it worked out okay, and I did change, and I did grow, and I did enjoy it. [00:27:00] And I do miss it.

Rev. Michele Owes: there's that then.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: Yes

Rev. Michele Owes: sometimes the, women feel like after they get married that, and when they become Christian women, that they, this is no longer a responsibility. Nay, nay. You have taken on this responsibility and according to the scripture, your body is no longer your own.

And so if your husband desires to be with you, all I can say is just make ready. Girl, get ready. And same way when you desire to be with him, brother, get ready. because your bodies no longer belong to yourselves

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: and the thing is, not to take things so seriously.

have fun. Just have fun with it, whatever. just have a little fun with it.

Rev. Michele Owes: Yeah

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: I talk about the gaps that can be in, in marriages and, talk about racial gaps and cultural gaps and, one of the best things you can do is poke fun at each other.

Rev. Michele Owes: Yes.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: Yeah

when you're [00:28:00] by yourself especially. And not to put the other one down, but just make

Rev. Michele Owes: Yeah.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: Yeah.

they

Rev. Michele Owes: Yeah

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: do the same thing... my husband was a phonetic speller. If you read his work, you... His... You wouldn't understand any of it. It was just all phonetic, He just,

Rev. Michele Owes: Yeah.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: it like he heard it. And used to laugh at him and tease him so much about that. But you have to, be so serious in

Rev. Michele Owes: Yes.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: fun. Have

Rev. Michele Owes: Yes. Yes

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: I'll... In the book, I'm dealing with, God's perspective of marriage and He did in the beginning, et cetera. But the midst of it all, if you do marry or if you are married, have fun.

Rev. Michele Owes: Yes. Yes. Enjoy one another.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: Yes,

Rev. Michele Owes: Yes

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: my husband was not an overly, affectionate person, outwardly affectionate person. And, I used to joke with him about it. I'm like, brother, if you want something, you going to have to do a little bit of something. [00:29:00] You going to have to do a little bit of something.

Rev. Michele Owes: You got to earn it.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: Yeah. at least get it ready," So this has been fun.

Rev. Michele Owes: And I remember one of the things that they used to say that we learned in, marriage enrichment is, to the Episcopal pastor, founding Episcopal pastor used to say to the husbands, "If you want to be with your wife, then you need to start things early that morning. You need to get her ready early that morning.

You need to let her know what's going to happen at night when she opens her eyes in the morning. You need to call and say some sweet nothings during the course of the day. You need to do something, give her a big hug and a kiss before you leave." It's now don't forget, it's you and me tonight. You gotta plant the seed throughout the course of the day.

And you know what, women? You can do the same thing. Give your husband to think of something to think about all day.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: Yeah

Rev. Michele Owes: some sweet nothings in his ear. Put a note in his [00:30:00] pocket. Send him a text. Now look, don't put anything in black and white that you don't want the whole world to see. So don't be, don't mess yourself up now.

Don't go too far.

give him some things to think about and to be concerned about, and a reason to, tell the boss he can't stay late unless it's urgent.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: Yeah. Yeah.

Rev. Michele Owes: Gotta get home

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: Enjoy each other. Enjoy each other.

Rev. Michele Owes: And if you got a bunch of children in the house, if you would spend $85 to get your hands and your feet done, spend one on the room so you and your husband can have some time together.

You've got to be willing to make the investment to keep hope alive at the house.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: That's right.

Rev. Michele Owes: And your children need to s- if you have children, they need to see you being affectionate one with another. They need to know how that works in a marriage. They need to see parents loving each other so that they'll know what to do in their marriage

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: Yes. Yeah

Rev. Michele Owes: All right, Missy, I think we talked our way through this one.

We, [00:31:00] we started with the Bible

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: I think we're going to have a, I think we're going to have a good time with this one

Rev. Michele Owes: We are, and we're going to talk more, about Mrs. Terry's book on our next podcast. Thank you for sharing this early edition information with us, and we're going to make sure that you know exactly how to get this book when it is published. It would be an excellent gift to give away to those who are married and even those, those who are planning on getting married, those who will get married this summer, and those who are already married who maybe forgot what they need to do to keep hope alive at the house.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: That's

Rev. Michele Owes: keep it alive

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: I put, I put some information in if you're married and you didn't have proper counsel, that kind of thing, it's not too late. We can still do these things

Rev. Michele Owes: Amen. We surely can. All right. that is going to do it for us on this podcast, and we look forward to being with you again [00:32:00] next week

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: I sure do. God bless you.

Rev. Michele Owes: We love you. Bye

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: Bye-bye.